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Thanks Arjun sir I am not getting any difference between these two questions but answers are not matching, https://gateoverflow.in/86195/me-test https://gateoverflow.in/26442/gate1991-5-c Digital Logic sequential-circuit digital-circuits digital-logic + – Shaik Masthan asked Jul 29, 2018 • closed Jul 29, 2018 by Shaik Masthan Shaik Masthan 1.4k views comment Share Follow See all 27 Comments See all 27 27 Comments reply Arjun commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share Because answers are given by different people :) 1 votes 1 votes Shaik Masthan commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share yes sir.... my approach is matching with other person but not with you... i read all the comments but i am not getting why you are not consider one more delay by and AND gate. your comments on that question i am not getting thats the same delay rt? suppose the circuit was not the same, we should have considered all these stages, and taken the maximum time period (min. frequency). Because answers are given by different people :) then one of the answer should be wrong, right? 0 votes 0 votes Arjun commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share I'll check that. 1 votes 1 votes srestha commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share I think both question used same formula where u got difference? 0 votes 0 votes Shaik Masthan commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share mam, check it one more time.... Arjun sir didn't consider the AND gate Before Flip Flop 2 0 votes 0 votes srestha commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share @Shaik Is it need to consider each AND gate delay, when clock is operated one time? They have not mentioned, that considering every AND gate each Flip flop get clock pulse at the same time right? 0 votes 0 votes Shaik Masthan commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share i didn't get mam, can you elaborate more... 0 votes 0 votes srestha commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share See in synchronous counter, we get output for last FF right? Now See diagram So, it is taking value of last two AND gate (1 for propagation delay of JK and other one last AND) i.e. why it is 10+10=20 right? I think that 10 is propagation delay of FF 0 votes 0 votes Shaik Masthan commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share No... your approach is wrong... For the output the last AND gate ( After the third FF) is never required.... why because we are taking output at Q0 of last Flip-Flop. My Doubt is Why Arjun sir didn't consider the delay of AND gate (which is between First FF and Second FF), Sir only consider only the delay of AND gate (which is between Third FF and Second FF), Note that My Third FF is generating the output 1 votes 1 votes Arjun commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share @Shaik Fine now? https://gateoverflow.in/26442/gate1991-5-c?show=210#a210 0 votes 0 votes srestha commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share but Sir formula for Synchronous circuit is=$\frac{1}{t_{pd}}$ And for Asynchronous circuit=$\frac{1}{n\times t_{pd}}$ then why do we need to consider $t_{pd}$ of every FF? 0 votes 0 votes Arjun commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share Never study such formula - is it given in Morris Mano? 0 votes 0 votes Shaik Masthan commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share Sir, your answer is Time to get output from FF=10 ns. Time for inputs to reach FF2=10. (One AND gate) Time for inputs to reach FF3=20. (Two AND gates) So, minimum time period needed for clock is 10+max(0,10,20)=10+20=30 ns 10+max(0,10,20) what is this 10 ? is it FF propagation delay ? if yes, remove the line Time to get output from FF1=10 ns. due to it create confusion, and add the line Time for inputs to reach FF1=0. ( Zero AND gate ) 0 votes 0 votes Arjun commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share Fine now? 0 votes 0 votes Shaik Masthan commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share yes, sir.... Thank you so much for sparing time for me. sir we can't privately message you due to you disabled it... In the HOME page, Question of the day typed mistakenly 0 votes 0 votes Arjun commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share Oh. Will be removing Question of the Day soon as most questions remaining are not relevant. Also, will enable Private Messaging for contributing users- currently there is no facility for this. 1 votes 1 votes srestha commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share Still getting some confusion 1)why ME question minus 2 has been done? If logic is All AND gate delay other than last AND gate has been taken, then in ME question, it should be minus 1? 2) Why last AND gate delay not taking? 0 votes 0 votes srestha commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share @Arjun Sir I got that by random net search or may be some test series:) 0 votes 0 votes Shaik Masthan commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share Why last AND gate delay not taking? we are not taking output at AND gate, we are taking output at Third FlipFlop, why ME question minus 2 has been done? in ME question, there is no AND gate Between first Flip Flop and Second Flip Flop. and More over he is comparing AND gates with no.of flip flops., i.e., First Flip flop and Last Flip Flop doesn't have AND gates 1 votes 1 votes Shaik Masthan commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share @Srestha mam, Frequency of Synchronous circuit is=$\frac{1}{T_{pd}}$ Frequency of Asynchronous circuit=$\frac{1}{n*T_{pd}}$ These Formulas are true when There are no AND gates between the Flip-Flops. ( Formulas are changing depend upon the situation ) why do we need to consider Tpd of every FF? Here we didn't consider Tpd for Every Flip Flop, Here considering each AND gate ( due to AND gates connected in Series. ) 2 votes 2 votes Arjun commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share Yes. No use in knowing that formula because in GATE they can add any different combinational circuit between the FFs. 1 votes 1 votes srestha commented Jul 29, 2018 reply Follow Share ok, thanks both of u 2 votes 2 votes srestha commented Oct 5, 2018 reply Follow Share @Shaik @Arjun Sir why propagation delay 10 taking separately I mean $max\left ( 0,10,20 \right )$ , it is already counting propagation delay of each FF then why ${\color{Red} {10}}+max\left ( 0,10,20 \right )$ that 1st 10ns delay is needed? 0 votes 0 votes Shaik Masthan commented Oct 5, 2018 reply Follow Share I mean max(0,10,20) , it is already counting propagation delay of each FF it is counting, how much time to reach the FF only. then, FF takes 10 ns to produce the output. 0 votes 0 votes Dushyant Raut 4 commented Dec 26, 2018 reply Follow Share @Shaik Masthan In your expalanation you said we are not considering output from third and gate but from third flip flop. But from diagram it is not clear. It seems like they are taking output from final AND gate. pls reply 0 votes 0 votes Shaik Masthan commented Dec 27, 2018 reply Follow Share @Dushyant Raut 4 But from diagram it is not clear. yes, it is not clearly informed where they are taking the o/p. But in general we take o/p at FlipFlop, so answered as per that, If it is specified take the o/p at AND gate then we have to consider 3$^{rd}$ AND gate Delay also :) 1 votes 1 votes PRANAVCOOL commented Oct 30, 2020 i edited by PRANAVCOOL Oct 30, 2020 reply Follow Share sir, can you please tell what definition to follow to calculate the propagation time in synchronous and asynchronous counters, and for time period of cycle i got how ro solve this ques but very confused what is the definition to follow for write ans. 0 votes 0 votes Please log in or register to add a comment.